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These two cards all are very good cards to get us out of tight situations, weather it could be a game broker or not. In the Meta of October 2013, and Sixth Sense back and Royal Decree seeing a lot more play, these two cards have seen a lot more play for side games in Matches, but only on Dueling Network do I see these two cards played. In the tournaments, all I see in side is Dust Tornado.

 

Take for example Evilswarms, Royal Decree really hurts the deck as they rely on traps to keep the overpowered deck Dragon Rulers at bay, and use to protect Ophion on the field. While in side and decree is in play they only rely on ophion and possibly dress to stop any of the opponents plays, if the opponent builds up an advantage the Evilswarm might as well scoop due to expended protection rendered useless. But, yet why is it I keep seeing in these decks Dust Tornado being sided and not Twister? I just don't get it.

 

So, my questions:

 

What card do you prefer over for side Dust Tornado or Twister, and why? Explain your reasons.

 

Why is Twister never in side, but Tornado is? Is it because with Tornado you can pop any card on the field, or what?

 

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Target 1 Spell/Trap Card your opponent controls; destroy that target, then you can Set 1 Spell/Trap Card from your hand.

 

 

 

 

 

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Pay 500 Life Points. Destroy 1 face-up Spell or Trap card.

 


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Dust Tornado.

Use at end phase, pop 1 backrow, free set. For all you know you could hit a "Sixth Sense" then set your own for yourself to use on your own turn.


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because Set vs face-up obviously
You'd rather have the option to pop a set then just a face-up card anytime

plus end phase set


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because Set vs face-up obviously
You'd rather have the option to pop a set then just a face-up card anytime

plus end phase set

 

This was my first conclusion, but that's good an all but what if Royal Decree is already in play? Dust Tornado is pretty useless. That card could have been a Twister instead, and it could have been the card that saves you the game. For Evilswarms in particular all they have to worry about is XYZ Encore, Royal Decree, Skill Drain which are the main ones and Rivaraly of Warlords, which is less used. There is of course more, but this isn't some Side Deck Discussion. Anyway, if you haven't noticed most of these cards will be face up while in play, also it takes care of Dragon Ravine as well.

 

You need to look at it from a bigger picture than just it simply can pop any card, and Twister can not.


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Twister is generally better as a counterside (for most decks). And DT is outclassed as a side, in some decks, by MST (well, MST's better overall. If you need extra trap disruption I'd suggest Trap Stun before DT, but that kinda depends on the deck too).
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This was my first conclusion, but that's good an all but what if Royal Decree is already in play? Dust Tornado is pretty useless. That card could have been a Twister instead, and it could have been the card that saves you the game. For Evilswarms in particular all they have to worry about is XYZ Encore, Royal Decree, Skill Drain which are the main ones and Rivaraly of Warlords, which is less used. There is of course more, but this isn't some Side Deck Discussion. Anyway, if you haven't noticed most of these cards will be face up while in play, also it takes care of Dragon Ravine as well.

 

You need to look at it from a bigger picture than just it simply can pop any card, and Twister can not.

I wouldn't use Twister just because Decree is a card

Dust Tornado is ultimately and universally better. 



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Twister is generally better as a counterside (for most decks). And DT is outclassed as a side, in some decks, by MST (well, MST's better overall. If you need extra trap disruption I'd suggest Trap Stun before DT, but that kinda depends on the deck too).

 

Mystical Space Typhoon will forever be the best Trap Removal, and I always considered Twister to be better than Dust Tornado for decks most certainly like Evilswarm, and Dust Tornado for Decks that just don't care. 

 

Also, I thought Trap Stun was more for decks like Dragon Ruler who run Vanity Emptiness. They can still get off all their moves off while not having to worry about their Vanity getting destroyed at all, so then they could have the real upper hand. I might just make a post for that, as Trap Stun is more Royal Decree vs Trap Stun. 


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I prefer Dust Tornado as extra MSTs, and Twisters only as sides if it will help against the opponent (Field Spell or continuous card heavy).


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I'm sorry, but this was really irritating me. 

 

These two cards all are very good cards to get us out of tight situations, whether it could be a game breaker or not. In the Meta of October 2013, and Sixth Sense back and Royal Decree seeing a lot more play, these two cards have seen a lot more play for side games in Matches, but only on Dueling Network do I see these two cards played. In the tournaments, all I see in side is Dust Tornado.

 

Take for example Evilswarms, Royal Decree really hurts the deck as they rely on traps to keep the overpowered deck Dragon Rulers at bay, and use to protect Ophion on the field. While in side and decree is in play they only rely on ophion and possibly dress to stop any of the opponents plays, if the opponent builds up an advantage the Evilswarm might as well scoop due to expended protection rendered useless. But, yet why is it I keep seeing in these decks Dust Tornado being sided and not Twister? I just don't get it.

 

So, my questions:

 

What card do you prefer over for side Dust Tornado or Twister, and why? Explain your reasons.

 

Why is Twister never in side, but Tornado is? Is it because with Tornado you can pop any card on the field, or what?

 

Your opinions on this guys and girls would be lovely, I'm kinda interested to know.

 

And because I'm nice, and you don't know the effect of the two cards mentioned here they are:


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Well:

1. Twister requires you to pay 500 LP, while Dust Tornado doesn't.

2. Dust Tornado pops everything (face up and face down), while Twister just face ups.

It's just better.


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Well:

1. Twister requires you to pay 500 LP, while Dust Tornado doesn't.

2. Dust Tornado pops everything (face up and face down), while Twister just face ups.

It's just better.

 

Twister can hit Royal Decree after its successful activation, and it's pretty much the only reason you'd side either of these with 3 MST available.



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Its probably because Dust Tornado is the better option. Its the Trap version of Mystical Space Typhoon that lets you set something. Twister requires 500 LP to play and only destroys face-up Spells and Traps

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Dust tornado can't be used on your turn, and is useless against an active royal decree, which is a very common side now. Can't dismiss that because you aren't maining either of these. I feel twister is a better card.

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Dust Tornado is overall better. I side Twister instead because Decree kills my deck.



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Dust tornado is obviously better why even play twister unless you truly need 4 mst also there are better cards than twister like night beam that don't require the lifepoint payment


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Dust tornado is obviously better why even play twister unless you truly need 4 mst also there are better cards than twister like night beam that don't require the lifepoint payment

 

Night Beam is also limited to Face-down; in cases like Royal Decree, Twister > Dust Tornado, and Night Beam can't even be used against it.

 

OT: Dust Tornado is worthy of being mained in certain decks; Twister isnt worthy of being mained anywhere.


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I'd say dust tornado is better, since it doesn't have a 500lp cost, doesn't have to destroy a face uo spell/trap, and gives you a free set, but yea twister is useful if decree is up.


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Dust Tornado. Yes, it may be a Trap and is a bit slower, but the fact it can also Set a S/T is also quite strong factor. 


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Night Beam is also limited to Face-down; in cases like Royal Decree, Twister > Dust Tornado, and Night Beam can't even be used against it.

 

OT: Dust Tornado is worthy of being mained in certain decks; Twister isnt worthy of being mained anywhere.

Agreed. I didn't really think that through when i said Night Beam, however Twister is pretty much a limited MST with a cost its pretty much MST's ***** cousin 


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Dust tornado can't be used on your turn, and is useless against an active royal decree, which is a very common side now. Can't dismiss that because you aren't maining either of these. I feel twister is a better card.

what do u mean it can't be used on your turn.  maybe not on turn 1, but if it's turn 3 then it can be used if it wasn't set that same turn.


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what do u mean it can't be used on your turn.  maybe not on turn 1, but if it's turn 3 then it can be used if it wasn't set that same turn.

 

Clearly what i meant. twister is a quickplay spell that can be used the same way as dust tornado, or be a MST for face-ups. Night Beam, Dust Tornado, and Twister all serve different purposes really, depends on what you are siding against


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Twister can hit Royal Decree after its successful activation, and it's pretty much the only reason you'd side either of these with 3 MST available.

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Dust Tornado is better, however, the reasons that its better only really end up mattering much very rarely. Both of these cards should honestly only be seeing play in side-decks because MST at 2 or 3 should be plenty for any main deck needs. And coming from the side, these are usually for countering sideboard choices of your opponent such as Imperial Iron Wall or Macro Cosmos or Royal Decree. They can also be sided in as addition hate for decks reliant on or made consistent with some kind of S/T (Examples of cards filling those roles are Necrovalley and Ravine).

 

At the end of the day, since Blind MST/Dust/Twister is a bad idea in the first place, the first of end phase popping, while making Dust Tornado clearly better, is largely irrelevant. You (should) be siding these in to handle singular, face-up targets in the first place, with our current format providing plenty of them, since the hope is you aren't shooting blind.

 

Ultimately, that means while Dust Tornado is clearly better outside of the edge case where Twister shines (Royal Decree already being in effect), which one you use is totally preference at the end of the day, since they both cover all of the situations you should be siding them for entirely, with both providing a tangible advantage to the other (Dust Tornado having more flexible targeting parameters and no cost, and Twister being a quick-play Spell instead of a trap) that I can see someone arguing as fair reasoning for either choice.


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Yeah, but still. Dust Tornado still better.

 

Overall, yes, but not for the competitive purpose they have.


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Dust tornado of course.

It doesn't have to be face up

you don't have to pay life points


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