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Okay so today my opponent summoned tefnuit. i veilered it. my opponent then tributs tefnuit for cauis. me and my opponent went into a long arguement about tefnuit not getting effects. i said it doesnt get eff and he kept saying it does. whos right?

note: veiler doesnt care where target goes.
Note: THIS IS NOT F*CKIN SKILL DRAIN

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It does get the effect as it resolves in the grave, not on the field.

Example; Veling a Sangan

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Veiler doesn't care where the effect resolves. So im pretty sure you dont get the effect.
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It does get the effect as it resolves in the grave, not on the field.

Example; Veling a Sangan

but veiler doesnt care where it target goes. like you can veiler piper,cardcar d, rabbit they resolve in grave(except rabbit banished) this is not skill drain people

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Nope, it still activates in grave. Veiler does not negate Hieratics.

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WTF am I reading?
Veiler does care where the card activates, and if it activates in the grave, like Hieratic's do, Veiler won't stop them.

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definiteotaku I cannot agree more man idk what these guys are thinking

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WTF am I reading?
Veiler does care where the card activates, and if it activates in the grave, like Hieratic's do, Veiler won't stop them.

then u cant veiler cardcar d

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Cardcar activates on the field, tribing itself is only a cost, but its effect still resolves on the field.
A Tribed Hiera will activate where it is sent, to the Grave or the RFG.
There is zero similarity here.

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It does get the effect as it resolves in the grave, not on the field.

Example; Veling a Sangan

but veiler doesnt care where it target goes. like you can veiler piper,cardcar d, rabbit they resolve in grave(except rabbit banished) this is not skill drain people


All three of those effects activate and resolve on the field. The Hieratic effect when Tributed activates in the graveyard.

This is like Effect Veiler vs Exiled Force and Sangan.

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veilers rulings

"This card will negate effects that activate or apply on the field. It will not negate an effect that activates in the Graveyard."

So you can Veiler card car D, in which case it can still be tributed for its effect, but it resolves without effect since Veiler negates all effects that activate and resolve on the field.

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WTF am I reading?
Veiler does care where the card activates, and if it activates in the grave, like Hieratic's do, Veiler won't stop them.


so many braincells lost

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WTF am I reading?
Veiler does care where the card activates, and if it activates in the grave, like Hieratic's do, Veiler won't stop them.


so many braincells lost


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Well looks like ive been cheated. many times..... :D
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Oddly

my oppo did teh same thing...


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It does get the effect as it resolves in the grave, not on the field.

Example; Veling a Sangan

but veiler doesnt care where it target goes. like you can veiler piper,cardcar d, rabbit they resolve in grave(except rabbit banished) this is not skill drain people


All three of those effects activate and resolve on the field. The Hieratic effect when Tributed activates in the graveyard.

This is like Effect Veiler vs Exiled Force and Sangan.

The effect of "Effect Veiler" can only negate effects which activate on the field and effects which are applied on the field. Sangan effect is fully activated in grave and has nothing to do with the field.
So yes, in my opinion "Effect Veiler" can negate Hieratic's effects.

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It does get the effect as it resolves in the grave, not on the field.

Example; Veling a Sangan

but veiler doesnt care where it target goes. like you can veiler piper,cardcar d, rabbit they resolve in grave(except rabbit banished) this is not skill drain people


All three of those effects activate and resolve on the field. The Hieratic effect when Tributed activates in the graveyard.

This is like Effect Veiler vs Exiled Force and Sangan.

The effect of "Effect Veiler" can only negate effects which activate on the field and effects which are applied on the field. Sangan effect is fully activated in grave and has nothing to do with the field.


And so do the Hieratics. Look at the card. "When this card is Tributed" Are you going to try and tell me that an effect that triggers when that monster is Tributed is going to activate on the field?

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How many times do I have to explain that a Tributed Hieratic activates in the grave or Banish.
There is no wiggle room here, its all off the field.
Veiler will not stop that effect from activating.

This is like saying Veilering an Absolute Zero will stop it from nuking when it leaves the field.

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I always have to state this, so let me do it again.

Cards resolve where they activate. Always have, always will.

Effect Veiler negates effects that resolve on the field.

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so much stupidity present... activates in grave. veiler stops shit that ACTIVATES ON FIELD. Learn to play lol
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Until you second guessed yourself.




It does get the effect as it resolves in the grave, not on the field.

Example; Veling a Sangan

but veiler doesnt care where it target goes. like you can veiler piper,cardcar d, rabbit they resolve in grave(except rabbit banished) this is not skill drain people


All three of those effects activate and resolve on the field. The Hieratic effect when Tributed activates in the graveyard.

This is like Effect Veiler vs Exiled Force and Sangan.

The effect of "Effect Veiler" can only negate effects which activate on the field and effects which are applied on the field. Sangan effect is fully activated in grave and has nothing to do with the field.


And so do the Hieratics. Look at the card. "When this card is Tributed" Are you going to try and tell me that an effect that triggers when that monster is Tributed is going to activate on the field?


Since Stardust's effect is a trigger and it tribute itself, but if you "Effect Veiler" before he activates it, the effect is negated. So I'm following that logic.

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It still activates on the field.

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Since Stardust's effect is a trigger and it tribute itself, but if you "Effect Veiler" before he activates it, the effect is negated. So I'm following that logic.

Stardust activates, then tributes itself as a cost.
Heiratics are tributed, then activate.
2 COMPLETELY different scenarios.
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