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I have a lot of questions about Dark Magician rulings. The Dark Magician series was made before arch-types became the norm in the meta. Today,eWe know have cards that say the arch-type in the wording such as "Elemental-Hero", "Hero", "Dark World", etc.

I am sorry if this topic has been made.

The card Magic Curtain allows a player to special summon one Dark Magician for the deck. Does this now includes Dark Magician Girl and Dark Magician of Chaos(banned at the moment)?
The same questions also are asked for Thousand Knives and Dark Magic Attack.

Now we have to talk about the Dark Magician Girl's effect. Does this now includes Dark Magician Girl, Dark Magician Knight, and Dark Magician of Chaos? They are all "Dark Magicians".

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"Dark Magician" is simply that. "Dark Magician Girl" nor "Dark Magician of Chaos" are "Dark Magician.

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no they are not, the text is "a Dark magician" not "that includes "Dark Magician""

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No, because as said above, "Dark Magician" means Dark Magician, "Monsters whose name includes "Dark Magician" would be what you stated, OP.

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"Dark Magician" is simply that. "Dark Magician Girl" nor "Dark Magician of Chaos" are "Dark Magician.


no they are not, the text is "a Dark magician" not "that includes "Dark Magician""


You're mistaken. The text is "Dark Magician".

Let's look at another type for an example. Read Skyscraper. http://yugioh.wikia....wiki/Skyscraper
It does not say "includes". It states "Elemental Hero".

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"Dark Magician" is simply that. "Dark Magician Girl" nor "Dark Magician of Chaos" are "Dark Magician.


no they are not, the text is "a Dark magician" not "that includes "Dark Magician""


You're mistaken. The text is "Dark Magician".

Let's look at another type for an example. Read Skyscraper. http://yugioh.wikia....wiki/Skyscraper
It does not say "includes". It states "Elemental Hero".


"An" substitutes for "includes" and there is no such monster as "Elemental HERO."

All of the cards you mentioned are specifically looking for the single monster "Dark Magician."

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There is no Dark Magician Arch-Type, now had it said "Magician" for the texts, that would be another story even though that isn't an Arch-Type but it would be awesome :o
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"Dark Magician" is simply that. "Dark Magician Girl" nor "Dark Magician of Chaos" are "Dark Magician.


no they are not, the text is "a Dark magician" not "that includes "Dark Magician""


You're mistaken. The text is "Dark Magician".

Let's look at another type for an example. Read Skyscraper. http://yugioh.wikia....wiki/Skyscraper
It does not say "includes". It states "Elemental Hero".


"An" substitutes for "includes" and there is no such monster as "Elemental HERO."

All of the cards you mentioned are specifically looking for the single monster "Dark Magician."


At the time when this card was made it was looking for a single monster. Now we have more monsters named "Dark Magician". The card is worded the same as current Arch-type support cards.

There is no Dark Magician Arch-Type, now had it said "Magician" for the texts, that would be another story even though that isn't an Arch-Type but it would be awesome :o


How is this not an Arch-type? There is a series of cards named "Dark Magician". How does a group of cards officially become an Arch-type.

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It should also be noted that Skyscraper states: ""Elemental HERO" monster".

If a card says ONLY "Dark Magician", then it only works with "Dark Magician".

If it said ""Dark Magician" monster" OR ""Dark Magician" card", only THEN would we be looking at monsters/cards that include "Dark Magician" in their names.

Same reason why King of the Swamps can only search "Polymerization" and not "Super Polymerization".

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At the time when this card was made it was looking for a single monster. Now we have more monsters named "Dark Magician". The card is worded the same as current Arch-type support cards.


It doesn't work that way.

When a card was made to involve only one monster with a specific name, it stays that way.

When a card is made to involve cards that share a name, it stays that way.

If the cards you mentioned truly work the way you incorrectly think they do, they'd say something along the lines of "a 'Dark Magician' monster."

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"Dark Magician" is simply that. "Dark Magician Girl" nor "Dark Magician of Chaos" are "Dark Magician.


no they are not, the text is "a Dark magician" not "that includes "Dark Magician""


You're mistaken. The text is "Dark Magician".

Let's look at another type for an example. Read Skyscraper. http://yugioh.wikia....wiki/Skyscraper
It does not say "includes". It states "Elemental Hero".


"An" substitutes for "includes" and there is no such monster as "Elemental HERO."

All of the cards you mentioned are specifically looking for the single monster "Dark Magician."


At the time when this card was made it was looking for a single monster. Now we have more monsters named "Dark Magician". The card is worded the same as current Arch-type support cards.

There is no Dark Magician Arch-Type, now had it said "Magician" for the texts, that would be another story even though that isn't an Arch-Type but it would be awesome :P


How is this not an Arch-type? There is a series of cards named "Dark Magician". How does a group of cards officially become an Arch-type.

How many Arch-types do you know that have cards basing on finding one specific monster? not many cards within it. To become one, there must be a whole mess of them, such as Six Samz, Fabled, etc
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At the time when this card was made it was looking for a single monster. Now we have more monsters named "Dark Magician". The card is worded the same as current Arch-type support cards.


It doesn't work that way.

When a card was made to involve only one monster with a specific name, it stays that way.

When a card is made to involve cards that share a name, it stays that way.

If the cards you mentioned truly work the way you incorrectly think they do, they'd say something along the lines of "a 'Dark Magician' monster."


Don't falsely quote me. I never said how I thought they worked. I asked questions.






"Dark Magician" is simply that. "Dark Magician Girl" nor "Dark Magician of Chaos" are "Dark Magician.


no they are not, the text is "a Dark magician" not "that includes "Dark Magician""


You're mistaken. The text is "Dark Magician".

Let's look at another type for an example. Read Skyscraper. http://yugioh.wikia....wiki/Skyscraper
It does not say "includes". It states "Elemental Hero".


"An" substitutes for "includes" and there is no such monster as "Elemental HERO."

All of the cards you mentioned are specifically looking for the single monster "Dark Magician."


At the time when this card was made it was looking for a single monster. Now we have more monsters named "Dark Magician". The card is worded the same as current Arch-type support cards.

There is no Dark Magician Arch-Type, now had it said "Magician" for the texts, that would be another story even though that isn't an Arch-Type but it would be awesome -_-


How is this not an Arch-type? There is a series of cards named "Dark Magician". How does a group of cards officially become an Arch-type.

How many Arch-types do you know that have cards basing on finding one specific monster? not many cards within it. To become one, there must be a whole mess of them, such as Six Samz, Fabled, etc


It doesn't matter if there are cards looking for a specific monster when classifying Arch-types. To my knowledge there isn't an official rule for what makes a group an Arch-type. It's pretty much been accepted for a group of monsters that work together in a deck and share the same title(Dark World, Elemental Hero, Six Samurai). The Dark Magician does have a group of monsters that work together and share the same title "Dark Magician".

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Again, the deffenition of Arch-Type and what your saying doesn't match...
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Look at the text of the cards.
Skyscraper says "An "Elemental Hero" monster"
Magic Curtain just says "One "Dark Magician""
"Monster" is the key word. When a card is worded like that it means any monster that includes the quotes. When the text does not have that it means the monster named what's in the quotes.

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Again, the deffenition of Arch-Type and what your saying doesn't match...
Read this; you will realize where you went wrong. May you be enlightened and obtain more knowledge to help you improve as a duelist more and more.
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Archetype


Wiki is not a reliable resource. The link you provided does not have any sources.

The Dark Magician does in fact apply to one of the to wiki page's rules.

All members of that group of cards must contain a common term (the name of the archetype) appearing in their members' Japanese card names or there must a line of text in a member's card effect that specifically states that the card belongs to a certain archetype (e.g. "Chimera the Flying Mythical Beast"). Cards with the same words in their English names are not necessarily part of the same archetype (e.g. "Element Valkyrie" is not a "Valkyrie" monster).


Dark Magician, Dark Magician Girl, Dark Magician Knight, Dark Magician of Chaos, and Toon Dark Magician Girl share a common term aka Dark Magician.

Again those are not official Konami's rules.

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Again, the deffenition of Arch-Type and what your saying doesn't match...
Read this; you will realize where you went wrong. May you be enlightened and obtain more knowledge to help you improve as a duelist more and more.
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Archetype


Wiki is not a reliable resource. The link you provided does not have any sources.

The Dark Magician does in fact apply to one of the to wiki page's rules.

All members of that group of cards must contain a common term (the name of the archetype) appearing in their members' Japanese card names or there must a line of text in a member's card effect that specifically states that the card belongs to a certain archetype (e.g. "Chimera the Flying Mythical Beast"). Cards with the same words in their English names are not necessarily part of the same archetype (e.g. "Element Valkyrie" is not a "Valkyrie" monster).


Dark Magician, Dark Magician Girl, Dark Magician Knight, Dark Magician of Chaos, and Toon Dark Magician Girl share a common term aka Dark Magician.

Again those are not official Konami's rules.


The wikia has cites to all official rules provided by Konami.

Long story short: You cannot use any monster other than "Dark Magician" for cards that specifically ask for "Dark Magician." Bottom line. I don't know how much more blunt I can get.

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Pretty sure my post gave a good explanation :/

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No matter how much you may wish it, those cards only work on the one, the only, Dark Magician.

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Again, the deffenition of Arch-Type and what your saying doesn't match...
Read this; you will realize where you went wrong. May you be enlightened and obtain more knowledge to help you improve as a duelist more and more.
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Archetype


Wiki is not a reliable resource. The link you provided does not have any sources.

The Dark Magician does in fact apply to one of the to wiki page's rules.

All members of that group of cards must contain a common term (the name of the archetype) appearing in their members' Japanese card names or there must a line of text in a member's card effect that specifically states that the card belongs to a certain archetype (e.g. "Chimera the Flying Mythical Beast"). Cards with the same words in their English names are not necessarily part of the same archetype (e.g. "Element Valkyrie" is not a "Valkyrie" monster).


Dark Magician, Dark Magician Girl, Dark Magician Knight, Dark Magician of Chaos, and Toon Dark Magician Girl share a common term aka Dark Magician.

Again those are not official Konami's rules.


The wikia has cites to all official rules provided by Konami.

Long story short: You cannot use any monster other than "Dark Magician" for cards that specifically ask for "Dark Magician." Bottom line. I don't know how much more blunt I can get.


Wikia is still unreliable. Anyone can edit the information. Secondly there is no official source stating what classify as an Arch-type.

You're not just being blunt. You're being rude. You already falsely quoted me. Someone has already gave me the damn ruling. I don't need a rude and disrespectful staff member saying it to me bluntly after someone has already said it.

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Wikia is still unreliable. Anyone can edit the information. Secondly there is no official source stating what classify as an Arch-type.

You're not just being blunt. You're being rude. You already falsely quoted me. Someone has already gave me the damn ruling. I don't need a rude and disrespectful staff member saying it to me bluntly after someone has already said it.


"wikia is unreliable", that's the worst excuse you can make

he is not being rude, you asked a question and he answered it, you are the one who don't want to understand
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Wikia is still unreliable. Anyone can edit the information. Secondly there is no official source stating what classify as an Arch-type.

You're not just being blunt. You're being rude. You already falsely quoted me. Someone has already gave me the damn ruling. I don't need a rude and disrespectful staff member saying it to me bluntly after someone has already said it.


I answered your question in my first post. You responded saying that I was mistaken. I clarified multiple times as well as the other posters have as well. If you had accepted the answer you were given, which was correct, with multiple sources, you should have said so.

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Someone has already gave me the damn ruling. I don't need a rude and disrespectful staff member saying it to me bluntly after someone has already said it.

Then say you understand and don't argue against what you understand.

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Wikia is still unreliable. Anyone can edit the information. Secondly there is no official source stating what classify as an Arch-type.

You're not just being blunt. You're being rude. You already falsely quoted me. Someone has already gave me the damn ruling. I don't need a rude and disrespectful staff member saying it to me bluntly after someone has already said it.


"wikia is unreliable", that's the worst excuse you can make

he is not being rude, you asked a question and he answered it, you are the one who don't want to understand


Wikia is still unreliable. Anyone can edit the information. Secondly there is no official source stating what classify as an Arch-type.

You're not just being blunt. You're being rude. You already falsely quoted me. Someone has already gave me the damn ruling. I don't need a rude and disrespectful staff member saying it to me bluntly after someone has already said it.


"wikia is unreliable", that's the worst excuse you can make

he is not being rude, you asked a question and he answered it, you are the one who don't want to understand


Wikia is unreliable. If you think wiki is a creditable source then you serious are mistaken.

He is being rude. People already gave me the answer. I asked more questions about it.

do not bad mouth the admins, if you cant just accept you were wrong, you shouldnt have posted this


I never said how the cards wrong. I asked a questioned. I am not wrong about wikia being unreliable. It is not a creditable source.


Wikia is still unreliable. Anyone can edit the information. Secondly there is no official source stating what classify as an Arch-type.

You're not just being blunt. You're being rude. You already falsely quoted me. Someone has already gave me the damn ruling. I don't need a rude and disrespectful staff member saying it to me bluntly after someone has already said it.


I answered your question in my first post. You responded saying that I was mistaken. I clarified multiple times as well as the other posters have as well. If you had accepted the answer you were given, which was correct, with multiple sources, you should have said so.


You were mistaken in your first post. You did not correctly quote the card.


Someone has already gave me the damn ruling. I don't need a rude and disrespectful staff member saying it to me bluntly after someone has already said it.

Then say you understand and don't argue against what you understand.


I was arguing about Arch-types as someone started that argument in the thread.

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Wikia is unreliable.

No it isn't.

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