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hasugian

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i am duel few second ago ...

my opponent has Necrovalley face up ...

when my Fire King Avatar Garunix touch the field, he use his Bottomlesstrap Hole

i chained it use Fire King' Fire Ring to destroy my Garunix ...

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the admin come and say all the effect of Fire Ring is negated by necrovalley, including destroying my monster

i ask that admin, is that true ? so why in this rule : http://yugioh.wikia....ngs:Necrovalley
even if Trishula cannot banish the card from the grave, it still banish card from hand and field ?

so anyone can explain to me ?

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That's because you have to be able to summon a monster from your graveyard in first place, otherwise "Fire King's Fire King" won't resolve properly and will end being negated by Necrovalley.

Trishula is a completely different card, since banishing a card from X place isn't mandatory like the Fire Ring.

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Target 1 FIRE monster you control and 1 FIRE monster in your Graveyard; destroy the first target on the field, and if you do, Special Summon the second target. You can only activate 1 "Fire King Fire Cycle" per turn

since u cant target the card in grave....so fire king fire cycle is negate....

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since u cant target the card in grave

You can,just that it wont matter on resolution.

Shane never said to post All "proof",you can read that he ask for one specific piece of evidence.

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I told you in duel the card has a new errata to make it all clear, and those previous UDE rulings were ambiguous to begin with.

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hasugian

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Target 1 FIRE monster you control and 1 FIRE monster in your Graveyard; destroy the first target on the field, and if you do, Special Summon the second target. You can only activate 1 "Fire King Fire Cycle" per turn

since u cant target the card in grave....so fire king fire cycle is negate....


just target monster in the grave not disturbing graveyard


That's because you have to be able to summon a monster from your graveyard in first place, otherwise "Fire King's Fire King" won't resolve properly and will end being negated by Necrovalley.

Trishula is a completely different card, since banishing a card from X place isn't mandatory like the Fire Ring.


why all the effect is being negated by necrovalley ...

since the first effect after target 1 monster in my field and 1 graveyard is destroying my monster ...
and the part : " If you do " is second effect

i can accept if the first is summon and the second is destroying >.<

so to the end ... if there a card that make you cannot mill your deck, so "ryko, lightsworn hunter" destruction effect will not work ?


@princ

why you not just give me that pict at that time @.@


sorry if i am debate with you all ...
i just need a clear rule in my mind :)

Edited by hasugian, 29 January 2013 - 03:25 AM.


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Unorthodoxical-Princ

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just target monster in the grave not disturbing graveyard




why all the effect is being negated by necrovalley ...

since the first effect after target 1 monster in my field and 1 graveyard is destroying my monster ...
and the part : " If you do " is second effect

i can accept if the first is summon and the second is destroying >.<

so to the end ... if there a card that make you cannot mill your deck, so "ryko, lightsworn hunter" destruction effect will not work ?


@princ

why you not just give me that pict at that time @.@


sorry if i am debate with you all ...
i just need a clear rule in my mind :)


Because it isn't ruling class. I give the ruling, and I briefly explain it. The ruling works, because it works that way. You can't negate part of an effect.

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why all the effect is being negated by necrovalley ...

since the first effect after target 1 monster in my field and 1 graveyard is destroying my monster ...
and the part : " If you do " is second effect

i can accept if the first is summon and the second is destroying >.<

fire ring had a single effect with two part, negating the effect means none will resolve.

so to the end ... if there a card that make you cannot mill your deck, so "ryko, lightsworn hunter" destruction effect will not work ?

depends, does it says negate? or just prevent cards to be sent from deck to grave?
if it negate then ryko FLIP effect would be negated, else ryko can destroy a target then won't mill.

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(Firstly I should quickly point out that Necrovalley does not prevent effects being activated that may move stuff from the grave; it merely negates that effect at resolution.)

The key to this is Necrovalley's text:

All "Gravekeeper's" monsters gain 500 ATK and DEF. Cards in either player's Graveyard cannot be banished. Negate any card effect that would move a card in the Graveyard, other than itself, to a different place.

Since part of Fire Ring's effect summons a monster from the Graveyard, Necrovalley negates it. This is different to if, say, DD Crow was chained to Fire Ring. In that case, Fire Ring would still destroy the monster on field. But here, because of Necrovalley's text, Fire Ring's entire effect is negated.

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